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    Bipolar PNe

    Owen I said that all wrong. DSF has taught me a lot. I often review Reiner Vogel's observing as well as Alvin Hueys and
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    Please forgive and let me try this again, I did take out Abell 21. I am just trying to put a list of bipolar planetary nebula together. I asked a few years back what to observe and Steve Gottlieb suggested Orion 600 Deep sky. When through about half. I was surprised there are only about a dozen PNe and more RN and BN …

    NGC 650/651
    CRL 618
    J320
    HD 44179
    J 900
    M 1-7
    NGC 2346
    NGC 2371/2
    NGC 2392
    NGC 2440
    OH 231.8+4.22
    Jones-Emberson 1
    NGC 2818a
    IRAS 09371+1212
    CW Leo
    LoTr 5
    M2-9
    NGC 6302
    IRAS 17150-3224
    19W32
    Sa 2-237
    Hen 3-1475
    IRAS 17441-2411
    PN Hb 5
    NGC 6445
    HD 168625
    NGC 6537
    IRAS 18059-3211
    MWC 922
    IRAS 19024+0044
    IRAS 19255+2123
    M1-92
    NGC 6853
    Sh 2-106
    NGC 6881
    IRAS 20068+4051
    CRL 2688
    NGC 7026
    Ou 4
    Sh 1-89
    MWP1
    IRAS 22036+5306
    IC 5217
    Pn Hb 12
    HD 179821
    Thank you Mark
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    I am not sure if it is the wrong place to ask but some of your examples like Abell 21 are definitely not bipolar but old PN interacting with the local ISM. I am not sure why you have deleted your original post/list but in general you may have to wait some time for replies .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark SW View Post
    I asked a few years back what to observe and Steve Gottlieb suggested Orion 600 Deep sky. When through about half. I was surprised there are only about a dozen PNe and more RN and BN …
    Perhaps I'm misinterpreting this comment, but I included 46 planetaries in the Deep Map 600.
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    Hi Mark
    it may help if you make use of the HASH PN database as I suspect that any PN with an IRAS designation are likely to be ProtoPN and have no shape and are unlikely to be visible anyway. I think you said initially you were looking to find 75 Bipolar PN or just bipolar nebulae? Where did you get your inital list from?

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    Owen I started with a basic search for bipolar planetary nebula
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    Homunculus Nebula around Eta Carinae [4][5][6][7]
    Hubble 5 [8]
    M2-9 – The Wings of a Butterfly Nebula [9][10][11]
    OH231.8+4.2 – The Calabash Nebula or Rotten Egg Nebula [12][13][14][15]
    Mz3 (or Menzel 3) – The Ant Nebula [16][17][18]
    CRL 2688 – The Egg Nebula [19][20][21][22]
    HD 44179 – The Red Rectangle Nebula [23][24][25]
    MyCn18 – The Engraved Hourglass Nebula [26][27][28][29][30]
    He2-104 – The Southern Crab Nebula [31][32][33]
    The Boomerang Nebula [34][35][36][37][38]


    NGC 2346 – Also known as the Butterfly Nebula



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    M 76
    J 320
    J 390
    Mink 1-7
    NGC 2346
    NGC 2371/2
    NGC 2440
    NGC 2818a
    NGC 2899
    NGC 3132

    This mosaic shows stunning images of bipolar planetary nebulae, from left to right: row 1 – NGC 6302, NGC 6881, NGC 5189; row 2 – M2-9, Hen 3-1475, Hubble 5 (ESA / NASA / Hubble Heritage Team / Hubble SM4 ERO Team).


    NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope and the NTT
    bipolar planetary nebula known as PN Hb 12

    I realize this is not complete. I started with the basic search and dug into each one deeper. I referred to NED and Simbad as well as other resources.
    I was trying to gather as much information to determine if I was able to observe them.
    Also some were found using a keyword search on DSF and other sites.
    Mark

    Steve I stand corrected I counted 45. I must have missed the 46th one
    Last edited by Mark SW; August 18th, 2019 at 11:11 AM.

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    I also looked into protoplanetary nebula as well such as IRAS 09371+1212 Frosty Leo, IRAS 16594-4656 Pk 340-03.1 Water Lily
    IRAS 17163-3907 Hen 3-1379 Fried Egg Nebula
    HD 44179 CRL 618
    I am just trying to put a list together of bipolar nebula I might be able to observe.

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    Mark, one evolution model of PNe says, that nearly all PNe are bipolar in their first phase (and before, topic PPN). Reason because some look like they are not bipolar is the line of sight and their age. So you first have to clarify what you and your project mean with "bipolar".

    When you will concentrate on "visible bipolar PNe", or better, PNe that will show you the bipolar morphology in your telescope one suggestion would be to check the (few) websites which shows you pictures, sketches or descriptions of the objects. You named Reiner, Steve and Alvin, which were perfect sources. Maybe you can find one or two objects in my sketching/project sites.
    - PNe overall thumbnail collection
    - PPN project site (mostly bipolar)

    [I would not coll LoTr 5 as bipolar as your first list shows]
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    Owen. Steve, and Uwe
    Thank you for the help and clarification.
    I am trying to put a list together of "PNe that will show you the bipolar morphology" as Uwe said.
    Uwe both your PNe overall thumbnail collection, PPN project is what I am looking for.
    Again I apologize for all the confusion.
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    As Uwe says it may also depend on the viewing angle. For instance both M57 and NGC 7293 are thought to be bipolar but we are just looking down the cone. The red rectangle may be another example of a PPNe.

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