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    Object of the Week, September 12, 2021 – the Cygnus Loop

    Cygnus and Vulpecula
    Supernova Remnant
    RA: 20 51 00
    Dec: +31 00 00
    (Coordinates of the approximate center)

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    Various portions of the Veil Nebula have been discussed here in the past, but this post is about the entire object – the Cygnus Loop. I have a detailed article about each section in the September issue of Sky & Telescope where I also mention how I used an 8-inch f/3.3 Dob to see the entire SNR as a single, coherent object, and how that transformed my conception of this incredible object. This post is about that overall view.

    The Cygnus Loop is about 3 degrees in diameter east to west and 3.5 degrees north to south – a huge object to see in one telescope field of view. After I’d completed observing and sketching each segment of the Loop with my 28-inch scope, which was an awesome observing experience all its own, I was curious how much of the Loop I could see with the 8-inch and was blown away that I could see the whole thing! I used an Explore Scientific 100-degree, 25 mm eyepiece with an OIII filter, but without a Paracorr, to achieve a wide enough field.

    Last week, two friends were out testing a new pair of 80 mm binoculars equipped with OIII filters, and reported that they too could see the entire Loop by following my drawing. This suggests that many of us have been “missing the forest for the trees” by only looking at the individual segments with our larger telescopes.

    As satisfying as that’s been, the full view is in many ways more impressive. Seeing how the supernova shock wave has created this bubble of excited interstellar dust and knowing which parts are expanding away, and toward us, is a rare observation. Granted, you’ll need a truly dark sky for the best view, but you may be surprised by what can be seen through moderately light polluted skies too.

    Other than the overall view, I had three big surprises when I sketched the entire Cygnus Loop. First, was stumbling across a major section of the Loop that I didn’t even realize was there – I refer to as the “Fourth Veil” in my S&T article. It parallels the full length of Fleming’s Triangle (which everyone knows as Pickering’s Triangle, but Williamina Fleming was the actual discoverer). NGC’s 6974 and 6979 are the brightest bits on the northern end, but faint wisps flow 3 degrees to the south as well, where they combine with the southern end of Flemings Triangle and the northeastern part of the Southern Blowout Region (SBR).

    And that’s the second surprise I encountered. The SBR is an area of lower interstellar dust density that has allowed the SN shockwave to travel through more easily. The eastern arc is actually rather easy to see, while the western arc is probably the most difficult.

    My third surprise is the small bit of nebulosity just south of the NGC 6992, 6995 and IC 1340 Eastern Arc. This bit of fluff is called the Southeastern Knot and is an area of interstellar dust the SN shockwave has just started to excite, and is expected to become more prominent over the next few hundred years. For that matter, the SN shockwave probably began exciting all the current main sections of the Loop – which are pre-existing clouds of interstellar dust, not the explosive remains of the SN itself - about 1000 years ago, so it’s a sure bet that every section of the Cygnus Loop will continue evolving along with the Southeastern Knot.

    The SN shockwave bubble is expanding in three dimensions, and research shows which direction four of the main sections of the Loop are moving. Fleming’s Triangle is moving away from us, while the “Fourth Veil” is moving toward us. NGC 6960 (the Western Arc) is moving slightly away from us, while the Eastern Arc of NGC 6992, 6995 and IC 1340 is moving slightly toward us. For me, this knowledge makes seeing the entire Loop in one field of view even more satisfying simply because I can now imagine this fascinating object in three dimensions.

    For more information and closeup sketches of each section, go to https://tinyurl.com/5tethwpt and scroll all the way to the bottom of the page.

    Give it go, and let us know what you see!

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    Hi, I've always enjoyed viewing the Cygnus loop, but have mostly observed the brightest segments, Howard's article in S& T has peaked my interest in trying for the fainter segments. Hopefully next new moon I will give these fainter sections a shot.Here are my sketches for the brightest sections: ngc 6960 and ngc 6995. I used a 21mm Ethos at 115x with my 14.5 Starstructure Dob f/4.3ngc 6960.jpgScan0471.jpg
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    Ten years ago using a similar article and a 20", 73x + UHC filter, I found the sub parts to be quite fascinating. It labelled parts A-H as well as Fleming's (formerly Pickering's) Wisp or Triangle, which is huge and probably goes unnoticed by many observers. IC-1340 seems to be detached from NGC-6995. It appears fainter visually than depicted in images. NGC 6992 had feathery edges and NGC 6979 was big but faint.

    I still want to try for some other parts mentioned in the S & T article that I have not yet seen.
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    Hello Howard,

    this is an excellent, and very interesting, sketch!
    For me also interesting because of the Gaze-Shajn nebula I have not been aware, as I have started recovering some of the historical [GS 55] nebulae, not included in the other catalogs.

    There is also an HII filament north of the NGC 6992 and NGC 6979, and reaching towards the northern tip of the Witch's Broom NGC 6960,
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qu6xKrCuk...VRED_large.jpg

    On a side line,
    last night, I have been checking the northern environments of the Cygnus Loop through the 15x85 binoculars with the H-Beta filters, and found an unrelated HII region, as shown in the above linked picture at the upper left corner.

    109 entries on the Cygnus Loop in my observing logbook, but I am still fascinated every time.

    Thank you so much,
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    Hi Jiri,

    The HII filament arcing from 6992 toward 6960 is actually the boundary of the supernova shockwave. It can also be seen in the photo you referenced (and which is also in my article!) less distinctly west of 6960, and extending south from the Southeastern Knot.
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    This paper appeared today on ArXiv with an updated distance estimate to the Cygnus Loop:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.05368

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    Hi Howard,

    now I can see it better in your sketch.
    Thank you,
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    The updated distance to the Cygnus loop is an interesting refinement - this 2015 paper by Fesen et al (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.01713.pdf) found the distance to the center of the Cygnus Loop to be 735 +/- 25 pc compared to the update of 725 +/- 15 pc. Fesen's 2015 paper was one of the primary sources for my S&T article and is an interesting read.
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    If you don't subscribe to Sky & Telescope magazine, and are interested in my S&T article about the Cygnus Loop, you may want to watch me being interviewed about the article as part of the AAS video interview series of S&T authors at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...eIDOjQSXy0FQny

    My interview is near the top of the list, and once you get past the first few minutes of chitchat the rest of the video consists almost entirely of me talking about my Cygnus Loop article. If nothing else, it may be useful if you're having a hard falling asleep...
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    What an impressive sketch and what a immersive work Howard. Thumbs up. Best sketch I saw since a long time.

    Which eyepiece and magnification do you use in your 28-inch? In comparison to my sketches (172x) you got some more faint parts and miss some detail inside. So I guess you used somewhat around 100x with max. EP and field, right?

    The idea to collect all parts with bigger aperture is exemplarily. I stops my plan to do the same, because I started with to large magnification. So my plan is to go with one ore maybe two other single sketches to cover the area of Pickering's Triangle and maybe NGC 6974/6979?

    But the idea to cover the whole SNR with a powerful widefield instrument is still present.

    I started to sketch the Loop around 20 years ago with my 20x125 binoculars with poor nebula filters (Fujinon broadband) under rural skies around my home town.

    sketch: 20x125, NF, NELM 6m5+, field 3°x4°
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    Six years ago I started the attempt to go for the single fragments. I needed 2 nights for each part, so I'm full of respect for your result.

    sketch: 27", 172x, [OIII], NELM 6m5+, Seeing III
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    Inspired by these posts, I purchased a pair of Orion Ultrablock filters for my 25x100 binoculars and decided to give it a try. I did not find much value in the Orion Ultrablock filters, and will likely sell them -- the contrast enhancement did not make up for the reduction in overall brightness I think.

    In any case, my hope was to trace the entire Cygnus Loop with the 25x100 binoculars, but I only managed to pick out the eastern and western Veil components, and Pickering's / Fleming's triangle. I was hopeful that I had found the "tip" of the fourth component, but I must have only seen the chain of stars marked in Uwe's sketch, since the position and appearances matches my observation well.
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    photo_2021-10-13_21-10-24.jpg

    Pardon me for a flagrant violation of the visual observing focus of this forum -- but I felt compelled to share this image made by a good friend from the Himalayas in northern India, at 14800ft (Hanle village, where the Indian Astronomical Observatory is stationed). It's been compressed multiple times, so the quality is poor, but I was surprised to see that this is exactly what Howard saw in his sketch.

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    Beside this wonderful rendering from Howard I want to add my newest parts from last new moon.

    First a detailed section of Pickering's Triangle. I used the familiar 27-inch with mid size magnification of 172x (EP of around 4mm) and [OIII] to resolve the finer filaments and got the fainter ones also, even when I missed such faint outer regions, Howard got.

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    Next idea was to cover the smallest possible apertures (for me). I used my fine Nikon 8x30 EII with two [OIII] filters in the front. The field is around 8.8°, which allows also the visibility of the open cluster NGC 6940 at the edge of the field. Pickering's Triangle was a tough observation in contrast to the 27-inch results.

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    Hi Uwe,

    I missed your question above about the magnifications I used for my sketch - mostly 114x to 153x, and 253x occasionally on some of the brighter areas (all with the OIII filter). I found that removing the Paracorr when using my 25mm 100 degree ES eyepiece - my lowest magnification - gave the most spectacular views, and coma wasn't as bad as I expected. Perhaps the OIII filter helped reduce the amount of visible coma.

    I love all your sketches, but particularly the 8x30 binocular sketch because it really puts the Loop into a broader context.
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