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    Object of the Week March 3rd 2024 - Palomar 4

    Palomar 4

    Gcl 17

    Globular Cluster

    UMa

    R.A. 11h29m16.0s

    Dec. +28°58'24" (2000)

    Magnitude: 14.20

    Size: 1.3'

    Concentration class XII

    Palomar 4 was one of the 15 globular clusters that Abell listed in his 1955 paper
    https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/19....258A/abstract . Pal 4 had actually been
    first found by Edwin Hubble in 1949 and then rediscovered by A.G. Wilson in 1955 which
    is the observation that led to its inclusion in the Abell paper. It is one of the furthest known
    globular clusters at a distance of perhaps 351000 light years and also one of the largest with a diameter
    of 150 light years. However, despite its size the cluster has quite a low density of stars. This means it is
    a large halo cluster only weakly bound to the Milky Way (note here of course with the LMC at 18000 lyrs
    it is almost twice as far away as that). It is thought to be the second most distant of all the Milky Way’s
    globular cluster collection.


    pal4loc.jpg

    It is suspected to be part of the High Energy group of globular clusters, which are globular clusters with
    no common origin. The suggestion is that they arrived by themselves or as part of a merger
    with a very small dwarf galaxy. On its first discovery it was thought to be a dwarf galaxy and
    was given the name the Ursa Major Dwarf. The mass of Pal 4 is suspected to be about 57000
    solar masses and its initial formation parameters are suggested to be different from most other
    globular clusters. Its age is suggested to be about 11.2 billion years. Its metallicity is low but
    not as low as many other clusters, which suggests it may be younger than some. Interestingly
    Pal 4 contains no RR Lyr variables.

    pal4pan.jpg

    My only attempts at observing Pal 4 have been with my former 20” (50cm) and current 22” (55cm)
    telescopes. On both attempts I found a faint patch which showed some signs of granulation. Other
    attempts with the same equipment have not shown it at all which gives an idea of the clarity, or lack
    of it of skies in the UK. In most cases my observing sites are at altitudes of less than 100m (300ft).
    I know that it will have been seen with much smaller instruments by observers in the US and there
    are suggestions that it should be visible in a 12” (30cm), I note that the late Barbara Wilson found
    this from TSP and thought it was faint in a 20” F4.
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    With a 20" at 272x back in 2005:"On the border of Coma Berenices. This was a hard one; very faint. Like an out-of-focus star. (Uranometria = a Class 12 globular)"
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    I tried it with my 8" under Alpine Skies but could not see the globular.

    Under rural skies with 16", I could hardly see a very faint patch of light without any granulation or other details/structures.

    sketch: 16", 51x, NELM 6m6
    Pal4.jpg
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    With 27" under Alpine skies the observation remains difficult. The 1' small glow was certainly a direct vision object but was again very faint. Increasing the power to 419x shows a 16mag star at the western border. Even if 2-3 stars a popping in and out of view I did not see a granulation or mottling structure.

    See my Palomar Cluster side for detailed description.
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